fatbutched had the suggestion of using a high speed camera to film stuff for use in vj clips etc. i really like the idea. hopefully it could lead to cool stuff like this:
birds video. however, high speed cameras are very expensive. i wonder if enough of us are interested in renting one for say a weekend we might get away with it fairly cheaply. anyone up for it? i definitly am!
dont forget though that we'll need lights as well, the digital ones need LOTS of light. If we do it in the next few months i can borrow a couple of redhead kits from uni for the very reasonable price of free.
:D
Edit: might as well hire for a week as usually hire companies will charge per day, but 3 days hire=1 week. if that makes sense.
I can probably get hold of proper lights too if need be. I have a tripod also.
Ideally we'd need a place to film, a studio. I have rooms in my warehouse that can be blacked out, but they have white walls so to get the lighting right we'd also need blackouts/black backdrop for the walls.
What have we got in the digital range that's affordable and, say 100fps+ ??
I'm willing (eager, actually) to shoot on film, but obviously the cost is going to be more.
For instance, what fps do you think adam smith used to do those exploding paint fx? have you got an example of footage shot at 60fps we can have a look at?
if you wanna shoot highspeed and avoid film/ telecine etc you should look at the thompson viper... its expensive, but its the best around from what i understand.
you'll just have to put up with me for a few hours.
I have all the lights and grip too.
just need some wheels, a room to put it in and some good ideas.
I dont mind hiring and driving a van if someone will split the cost with me?
There's loads of 'stock' type shots ive wanted to shoot my own of in slow mo - exploding/dropped/sledgehammered TV, headbangning, gyroscope, sparkler, drummer shots - sticks hitting the skin, bit of flour on the drumskin - lovely. But if we're gonna make a day of it we might as well work on something a little less 'done'.
how about we combine the exploding paintballs and jumping mutts video ideas and blow up small, annoying yappy dogs ?? :twisted:
well, I reckon you can slow down footage in afx by 300% before you get any judder. maybe more if someone has twixtor.
so that will make it 600% with the double framerate of the EX1
I suggest you try slowing a few clips down by 6x to see if that is slow enough for what you want.
dancing girls will be fine, but it might struggle with the ultra slow exploding teapots etc.
well, I reckon you can slow down footage in afx by 300% before you get any judder. maybe more if someone has twixtor.
so that will make it 600% with the double framerate of the EX1
I suggest you try slowing a few clips down by 6x to see if that is slow enough for what you want.
dancing girls will be fine, but it might struggle with the ultra slow exploding teapots etc.
offtopic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAtlaaQoqKA
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http://viewty.lgmobile.com/
unfortunetly quality is not what we need in year 2008
...but I wonder why they can make 120fps mobile below 350pounds and they cannot make proper camera in reasonable price
its because most video cameras still use tape.
Only the the solid state ones can handle slo mo but as they are usually HD they can't go much faster than twice normal speed (at the moment)
its because most video cameras still use tape.
Only the the solid state ones can handle slo mo but as they are usually HD they can't go much faster than twice normal speed (at the moment)
Heh :lol: straight and snappy. I agree.
...but from other side most of the consumer cameras are HDD / DVD, so I think it's not a problem at all. I think it's definitly a niche to fill.
Those dogs were shot at 1,000 and 2,000 fps for the Birds video using various Canon Superspeed prime lenses. They used 4 x 10kw lamps to light em up.
Pleix make some incredible films, they spend a lot on them too - you have to sometimes. Budget for that simple video would have included 8 hours of hi-speed film, the dogs, a dog handler (who threw the dogs into a stretched blanket for the flying shots), a studio, (not sure how they did the BIRDS lettering, maybe projected, maybe post-production cleverness) processing the film, editing studio - it's pricey stuff, which is why it's a great idea for a bunch of us to pitch in, providing it's planned and budgeted right.
fatbutched had the suggestion of using a high speed camera to film stuff for use in vj clips etc. i really like the idea. hopefully it could lead to cool stuff like this:
birds video. however, high speed cameras are very expensive. i wonder if enough of us are interested in renting one for say a weekend we might get away with it fairly cheaply. anyone up for it? i definitly am!
i'm def keen for a group effort also...we could break the day into 30min or 1hr sessions where each person directs, supported by the others
60FPS isn't high speed imho (i've seen the 60fps of the ex1 and was not super impressed - it looks like slowed down video - your simply not getting the level of detail capture that you get from 1000+ FPS systems.)
Twixtor doesn't make nice footage - it can do an ok job at interpolating 3D animation but with real video frames it's not very impressive (again your just not getting the details that you get from real high speed)
So i'd suggest hiring a real digital high speed system and some very bright lighting - the costs of such a system should not be too outragous. Dave Green (inside-us-all) used to work for a company which works with high speed / infrared imaging and might be able to get us a discounted hire from somewhere.
We might also consider doing an exchange where we produce some clips for the hire company's website / demo reel. Many of the companies who supply this stuff are selling it for industrial analysis purposes and don't have much cool looking footage to show off their image quality,
I don't know about the current tech but the trouble with digital systems used to be the transfer of the images to computer - a 4second burst of 2000fps would take 10 minuets to download, which obviously impacts greatly on the amount of stuff you can shoot in a day.
We might also consider doing an exchange where we produce some clips for the hire company's website / demo reel. Many of the companies who supply this stuff are selling it for industrial analysis purposes and don't have much cool looking footage to show off their image quality,
I really like this idea...So true these hire company sites are so dry and uninspired...they should jump at the chance
Love to get my hands on one of these RED Camera's also
http://www.red.com/
well, only twice as fast as the EX1 which I already have.
I just tried it out, I can get reasonable clips speeding footage up to 800fps with no judder in AFX, though I am having issues with the codec. seems
I need Final Cut Pro 6.0.2
well, only twice as fast as the EX1 which I already have.
I just tried it out, I can get reasonable clips speeding footage up to 800fps with no judder in AFX, though I am having issues with the codec. seems
I need Final Cut Pro 6.0.2
is the EX1 worth his price? mayby you can write small review - there is no much information about this piece of hardware
heh... totally braindamage today - I thought that you own those Casio Exilim EX-F1 funny thing, that's why I ask for review... I didn't spot the difference of one 'F' letter. But nice that you kindly answer me, cheers ;)
my ex1 will do 60 fps. but those dogs were shot on cine...
When I read this I at first thought you meant the Exilim Pro EX-F1, which has a high-speed recording mode up to 1200fps. Yes, twelve hundred frames per second. At a very low resolution, mind you.... This camera can shoot full-frame (6 megapixels) at 60fps, and at decreasing resolutions at increasing speeds.
I think I want one... they weren't available in Australia before I left, but maybe they are on sale here in the UK now.
[quote="deepvisual"]how high speed is high speed`?
my ex1 will do 60 fps. but those dogs were shot on cine...
When I read this I at first thought you meant the Exilim Pro EX-F1, which has a high-speed recording mode up to 1200fps. Yes, twelve hundred frames per second. At a very low resolution, mind you.... This camera can shoot full-frame (6 megapixels) at 60fps, and at decreasing resolutions at increasing speeds.
I think I want one... they weren't available in Australia before I left, but maybe they are on sale here in the UK now.
I'm really thinking about buying this piece of hardware, but after some research I'm not 100% sure.
So far biggest issue is that 60fps means 60 fields per seconds, not frames really (interlace). Also you cannot shoot in slow motion continuosly, because when camera buffer fill up, you have wait some time to write footage on card. I cannot find right now exact url to the review when all of pro and cons were clearly described without marketing babble.
Do you guys know some good photo-shop when I can just take it to hand and test it? So far I found only internet offers...
